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Date: 1998-06-06

Scientology vs The Net: 6 Millionen Schadenersatz gefordert


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q/depesche 98.6.6.1
updating 98.6.3.1

Scientology vs The Net: 6 Millionen Schadenersatz gefordert

Die Schlussplädoyers im Falle Scientology gegen Zenon Panoussis sind gehalten . Insgesamt fordert
die Kirche 6 Millionen an Schadenersatz und Kosten ein.
Tatbestand: Veröffentlichung nicht-öffentlicher Scientology Papiere im Jahre 1996.
Das Urteil des Stockholmer Gerichts wird für die nächsten Wochen erwartet.
wir bringen es sobald wirs haben.

relayed by Felipe Rodriquez felipe@xs4all.nl

O-Ton Zenon Panoussis


Stockholm, Wednesday, 4 June 1998


True to my copyright terrorist instincts and traditions, I am happy to
serve you the last UC of this bunch: a fake one, written by me in the
absence of Karin, meant to ruin her reputation as a writer.

Today was the last day of the hearings. Somehow I couldn't believe it would
be. I had told Magnusson (and the court) that I would be in Holland
tomorrow no matter what, and that I would not come to court, even if the
hearings weren't finished. I was absolutely sure that Magnusson would do
everything he could to take up all day today, in order to force me to leave
without pleading.

I also had double-crossed him and booked a flight that would allow me to to
plead tomorrow anyway. This way, I estimated, he could make a fool of
himself by taking up time and yet be disappointed at the results. Did he
then? Of course he did. You press the button and he reacts as expected time
and over again. Never fails. There's a man you can trust.

But I must admit he started off nicely. "In flagrant violation... total
disrepect of the law and courts...continued infringements..." steady
pouring, good pace, firm tone. One hour. One and a half. Then he noticed
the time, slowed down a bit. And a bit more. By 11.30 he was glancing at
the clock on the wall every some 10 minutes, reducing his pace every time.
He ended up spelling the words, just like last Thursday and Friday. Body
language in court indicated a spreading unrest, irritation, boredom,
disgust. I was affected the worst: waiting for the second boot kills me.

I was wondering how far the situation would go. I could protest, but it
would be to no use. At worst, the chairman could propose a break, which
would give Magnusson the opportunity to waste yet more time. Twice I saw
Magnusson's aide yawning. The chairman is a master of masters in keeping a
stone face through anything, but even his irritation was somehow
transpiring, although I couldn't pinpoint how. At some point I grabbed my
cigarettes and started making a move out. One more second and I would have
left the courtroom in the middle of Magnusson's plea. I controlled myself.
I saw Magnusson himself trying to suppress a yawn. Then I realized that we
were not going to have a lunch break before Magnusson decided to finish.
The lunch break is usually at an appropriate moment in the proceedings
around 11.30-12.00. It was 11.50 and Magnusson was going on. The chairman
looked less irritated. 12.10. The chairman begun to look almost relaxed. It
might be just my imagination - I was looking at *very* slight changes of
face and posture - but I think I'm right. I think the judge decided to let
Magnusson delay everybody's lunch for just as long as he pleased, and let
him feel that he was doing so. Around 12.20 Magnusson was still slowly
leafing his papers, pronouncing a word per minute, desperately looking for
either something more to say or a decent way to close. He failed with both.
At 12.25, almost in the middle of a sentence, he gave up. Ready. Lunch. I
was shaking.

At 13.45 we resumed and it was my turn. It seems I can't get anything done
except under pressure. I started working on the case late last Monday
evening, on the eve of the hearing, trying to go through and sort out some
2 thousand pages which by then were still in disorder in a carton. Tuesday
evening I put them in binders and started going though them, finishing at
eight in the morning and going straight to court. I didn't learn my lesson.
I relaxed during the weekend, wasted most of Monday, run a million errands
on Tuesday and began to preapare my plea around nine on Tuesday evening.
It was ready at six in the morning, whereafter I slept for one hour and
went to court. The question now was, was there any logic and coherence in
the plea I had prepared in my half-ruined state at night? I hadn't reviewed
it.

It turned out there was plenty, but just a bit short of enough. The final
touch, the polishing of the arguments, their correct order, it all could
have been better. Yet, I think I made my points quite clear. It's not easy:
RTC's case is one pile of legal shit, where all energy has been put into
cheap rhetorics and none in sorting out the causes and effects and legal
conditions and consequences of things. Typical CoS litigation, simply. If
you clean out the irrelevant and sort the mess, what is left is just a few
very simple issues that can be decided just as correctly in one way as in
the other: matters of opinion. Which in turn means that there is no way of
knowing - or even guessing - what the ruling will be. Due to holidays it's
expected on August 31.

So far so well. The next chapter deals with legal costs. These are
generally fairly low in Sweden compared to other European countries and
cannot be compared with what is awarded (or not awarded) in the US. The
basic rule is that who loses a case pays his counterpart's legal costs,
within reason. To give you an idea, the lawyer that represented me from
October 1996 to October 1997 and did a very good job at it, was paid by the
state for about 120 hours of work some SEK 150.000 (USD 19.000). 20% more
would still not have been unreasonable, but that's about it. Plus necessary
and reasonable costs. In her case it was another SEK 4.000 (USD 500). If
the parties partly win and partly lose, they carry the legal costs
proportionally to their gain and loss.

Now, hold your pants. RTC has only demanded SEK 25.000 (USD 3.125) in
damages and I have all along expected that it was with the backthought that
by trying to win the entire amount, they could aim at hitting me much
harder with legal costs. I was expecting a bill of half a million and I was
well prepared to dispute it. But when the time came, Magnusson's aide got
up and handed the bill to the chairman and to me without a word. I leafed
past the introduction and looked at the figures. Fees SEK 4.500.000. Costs
SEK 345.326. USD 562.500 and 43.000 respectively. I started to laugh. I
tried to stop, to no avail. The amount is so absolutely ridiculous, so
utterly absurd, so completely ludicrous, that you begin to wonder about
your own sanity: no-one can be that insane as to ask for such a sum,
therefore you must be hallucinating yourself. I looked up. The chairman was
pronouncing the figures as if he was tasting every one of them and - first
time - he had lost his stone face. A second judge had evidently a hard time
to stop himself from looking too amused. I looked down again and turned the
paper. It carried on. RTC's costs for work and expenses: SEK 2.122.992 (USD
265.000). Legal opinions SEK 190.009 (USD 23.700). Notary public SEK
116.010 (USD 14.500). Witnesses SEK 181.115 (USD 22.600). Among them,
Mikael Nyström, the computer expert, was billed with SEK 17.000 (USD 2.125)
for one hour on the stand. Grand sum SEK 7.684.581.

Discussion ensued. Magnusson defended the bill. I was still laughing, but I
felt very tired. What is the point in spending so much time and energy in a
case, if you are going to ruin any impression of seriousness you might have
made, with such a bill? What is the point of spending two years in court
against someone who ridiculed you, if the last thing you do to crown your
case, is to ridicule yourself? How is Magnusson ever going to face a judge
or a collegue in that court without thinking that they know him as "the
famous bill"? Is this what Hubbard does to people, or are they born this
way? Somehow I could neither pity Magnusson, nor despise him. The chairman
said some words in a deliberately explicit low calm tone that reminded of
his tone when he was trying to make us settle, and the hearing was closed.
Tomorrow I'll be back in Holland.

To sum it up, it was all a waste of time and money and legal resources. To
begin with, we had a case that could have been refined to set some of the
important delimitations between contradicting legislation; to determine
where one right ends because another right begins. There won't be much of
this. RTC deliberately derailed the case into confusion, showing all too
plainly that it neither believes in the legal system, nor in its own case.
But if they don't, why then bother to sue? The net result of this lawsuit
and its offsprings is an irreparable damage to the CoS' reputation in this
country for all overseeable time. Why spend millions on that? I do dislike
the CoS profoundly, but I still would like to understand what goes on in
the heads of its heads, what makes them self-destruct in the way they do. I
had a chat with McShane, and found it far easier than trying to talk to any
low-level scieno I have met so far. I might be very naive, but I get the
feeling that the top and the bottom of the CoS are mutually completing and
equally mislead by their own total lack of independent critical thinking.
Somehow I get the feeling that the entire CoS, top and bottom, is an asylum
for people that should have been helped elsewhere.

Anyway, this is not the end. As soon as the ruling comes, RTC will appeal
against it. They are bound to lose on some point at least (if only on their
amazing bill) and we all know they always appeal. In the meanwhile I have
invited them to sue me in Holland. I might feel sorry for them sometimes
when I'm tired, but that is no excuse that they can use. If there is any
chance that they really have spent half the amount they asked for in this
lawsuit, I'll gladly see to it that they spend another as much on a second
front. That will keep them from using the money to more destructive ends
(and keep providing amusement to ars).

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